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32 pages 1 hour read

Raymond Carver

What We Talk About When We Talk About Love

Fiction | Short Story | Adult | Published in 1981

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Character Analysis

Nick

Nick is 38 years old and the first-person narrator of the story. He has been married to Laura for nearly a year and a half, but they both were previously married to other people. Although the story is from Nick’s perspective, Mel and Terri’s dialogue forms the basis of the narrative. In turn, Nick and Laura function as their foils. Much of the conversation revolves around Ed, Terri’s ex-partner, and a road accident that Mel once attended. Nick sees Mel as superior, indicated by the repetition of his friend’s name in the first two lines of the story and how his profession entitles him to speak: “My friend Mel McGinnis was talking. Mel McGinnis is a cardiologist, and sometimes that gives him the right” (126). Nick describes the physical appearance of the other characters, but the reader never knows what he looks like. Readers only learn his name through his wife, Laura: “Nick and I know what love is” (130).

Nick is a quiet presence. The narrative is structured in nine sections, and Nick only speaks five times throughout. In the first section, he maintains that he is unable to comment on the nature of Ed’s love because he does not know him. This is a diplomatic way of avoiding a response. However, he offers that Mel’s perception of love is “absolute.” In the second section, he repeats Terri’s phrasing and twice asks how Ed attempted suicide. In the fourth section, Nick shows his support of Laura by succinctly commenting that he and Laura are “lucky.” In the seventh section, Nick disrupts Mel’s fantasy about being a knight and says that armor often caused the knights to suffocate. In the ninth section, Nick equivocally says that he’s happy to eat out, stay in the kitchen drinking and talking, or “head right on out into the sunset” (138).

In the fourth section, when Laura says that she and Nick know what love is, Nick makes a great show of kissing her hand. This suggests that Nick can only express love through a series of physical actions, or gestus, a term coined by the German theatre practitioner Bertolt Brecht to mean a physical gesture that reveals a specific aspect of a character. The theatre reference is relevant as Nick appears to be superficially copying the conventions of romantic love rather than emotionally connecting and feeling love at a deeper level. It is also notable that unlike the other three characters, he is the only one not to talk about love.

Even though Nick barely speaks, he observes telling details about how the sunlight changes in the room, how much alcohol is being consumed, and how the characters relate to one another. Nick’s closing observation about the sound of heartbeats suggests that he either has a greater depth of compassion or is equally unable to define what love really is.

Mel McGinnis

Mel is 45 years old, and the story is set in his kitchen in Albuquerque. He is tall and athletic, with curly soft hair and arms tanned from playing tennis. A cardiologist by profession, his full name is Dr. Melvin R. McGinnis. Before he trained as a doctor, Mel lived for five years in a seminary, an educational institution for teaching students about theology. This suggests that he was preparing for a life in the Church before going into medicine, and he says that he looks back on those years as the most important time of his life. After divorcing his first wife, Marjorie, he met Terri. He and Terri have known each other for five years and have been married for four. Although Mel is not the narrator, his dialogue drives the story forward. He speaks the most and has strong views on the meaning of love, even though he is ultimately just as unable to define it as the others. Thematically, Mel most illustrates The Inability to Define Love and how Talking About Love Is Ineffectual.

Unlike Terri, who has a fixed view on what love means, Mel provides the reader with the most variants. His life in the seminary may have influenced his belief that “real love is nothing less than spiritual love” (126). He rejects Terri’s belief that love can be expressed through violence, but at the same time, he hates his ex-wife Marjorie and fantasizes about killing her via a swarm of bees. Mel’s anger has misogynistic undertones, as he directs his latent threat to both his ex and Terri: “’Bzzzzzzz,’ Mel said, turning his fingers into bees and buzzing them at Terri’s throat. Then he let his hands drop all the way to his sides” (138).

Mel likens his profession to a “mechanic” and views the human heart merely as something he has been trained to “mend.” Mel grapples with the idea that love is fleeting and transferable. He questions where love goes when it ends (e.g., divorce) and wonders how love can continue with another (e.g., remarrying). Mel becomes progressively antagonist as he consumes more alcohol. He verbally disparages Terri and becomes vulgar when his attempts to explain love fail to reach a logical conclusion.

Terri

Terri, short for Teresa, is Mel’s second wife. They met five years ago and have been married for four years. She is “bone-thin” (126) yet pretty with dark eyes and long dark hair. She likes to wear necklaces made of turquoise and long earrings. Prior to Mel, she was in an abusive relationship with Ed. In recounting her traumatic experiences, she asks, “What do you do with love like that?” (126). Terri perceives Ed’s volatile behavior as evidence of real love and rationalizes that love drove him to his death. Terri is drawn to the drama and passion of her previous relationship and tries to recreate this by taunting Mel. Whereas her current husband aspires to the high-mindedness of spiritual love or is unable to see the workings of the human heart beyond its medical attributes, Terri is looking for a love that is more visceral and instinctive. In all her comments, she shows herself to be insecure, seeking assurances from others that her perspective is correct. Terri’s immobility in the story’s denouement reflects her inability to move forward in life.

Laura

Laura is 35 years old and married to Nick. She is a legal secretary and first met her now-husband “in a professional capacity” (117). Nick describes Laura as well-groomed with broad wrists and manicured nails. Nick’s precise depiction suggests that he sees her in an idealized light and that neatness, as opposed to the chaos that swirls around Mel and Terri, is important to him. Nick further solidifies his detached assessment of his wife: “In addition to being in love, we like each other and enjoy one another’s company. She’s easy to be with” (129). Laura is unassuming, quiet, and relaxed company. She is quite passive as a figure, in contrast to Terri’s more confrontational manner. Mel intuits Laura’s affable companionship and remarks that he’d want to be with her if they were unattached.

Laura appears naive as she listens to the traumatic stories Terri and Mel relay. Although she speaks more than her husband, it is not to any great effect. There is a tendency for her to talk in clichés or to try and smooth over any tension. From Nick’s perspective, Laura appears to lack depth, which she compensates for with politeness. When asked her opinion on the relationship between Terri and Ed, she redirects the question and counters, “But who can judge anyone else’s situation?” (127). Like Nick, Laura remains diplomatic throughout the tense conversation. However, she frequently chimes in, encouraging Terri and Mel to continue their stories. In this way, Laura too strives to reach a conclusion about love, yet she is unable to do so on her own. When she turns to Nick for support, he simply offers his hand or a kiss as reassurance. In the story’s denouement, Laura begins to express her own apprehension toward Nick, suggesting that neither couple is better positioned to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

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